Are all P3s evil?

November 14, 2008 at 8:21 am 5 comments

I’ve talked several times about how sewage and water infrastructure and how it should always remain in the public realm. Public Private Partnerships aren’t in the public interest when it comes to such vital infrastructure.

One local municipal candidate wears a “no P3s” button and mentioning an anti-P3 stance guarantees a round of applause at an all-candidates-meeting. But are all P3s bad?

Here’s an example. I was talking to a local developer yesterday. He’s eyeing a parcel of land for development. He’s deeply concerned about Victoria’s addiction problem and knows that this land’s zoning would permit an addiction treatment centre. To make it viable financially, two things have to happen. A portion of the property is developed with market housing. The remainder of the lot, which already contains older structures suited for a treatment facility would be operated by a non-profit group with a record of successful treatment of addicts. The usual government funding and matching grants kick in

Everyone wins, right? Addicts get help, the community gets a treatment centre (which the neighbours approve). The government fulfills its commitment to treatment without having to build an new and expensive purpose-built facility (or shepherd it through a long and contentious rezoning process). The developer makes his investment back on the market housing.

Consider this when you hear the term “P3”.

Entry filed under: architecture, Election 2008, social issues, urban design.

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5 Comments Add your own

  • 1. Colleen  |  February 15, 2009 at 12:24 pm

    Here is the bottom line you don’t get to see the bottom line and so if you are keep in the dark as to costs and expenditures of these Public Infrastructures the how can you go there? Canadian Line says 2 billion yet it has its own police force where officers ticket people for loose change while taking up precious resources and the train stations are left unclean. Vancouver is now the Gangster Capital of the world and no money for that but money for more police officers for tickets yet no other business in the world would get a whole force from government to protect is loose change. And its a receipt for disaster has we watch the states crumble from all its greedy land developers and banks and here we are going to sign away the bank. Its so risky and so costly especially during a credit crunch as Vancouver has to pick up Olympic debt as P3s guy couldn’t keep their end of the deal. So bottom line is if you are always going to be responsible for the bottom line than why governments give away the control as now its strapped with over priced units and no buyers and the amount was equal to what it costs to operate the city for the year so that is also going to cost many dearly.

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  • 2. Colleen  |  February 15, 2009 at 12:37 pm

    Oh and here is another reason anytime someone is telling you they are going to make you rich or are going to save you a bundle. Think about it especially when its your future and the futures of your children they are talking about. You have no say and all that PUBLIC SPENDING is now PRIVATE. Real bad idea wouldn’t you think believing what ever someone tells you especially land developers and politician land developers? And then tell you all the details are PRIVATE and still try to tell you its good for you ususally when someone is telling you its good for you what they really mean it is good for them..

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  • 3. robertrandall  |  February 15, 2009 at 7:33 pm

    Alright, but do you support Richard Leblanc’s Woodwyn Therapeutic Farm concept?

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  • 4. robertrandall  |  March 9, 2009 at 4:00 pm

    Another intriguing public/private partnership has been mentioned to me. It’s still under wraps until the papers are signed but it should be a blockbuster to Victorians following development and social issues. It involves a major developer rehabbing an existing building for supportive housing that would be administered by a local non-profit.

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  • 5. pointblankcreativelp  |  March 21, 2010 at 12:29 pm

    Hey! Check out this video about privatization of water and the Victoria sewage treatment plant.

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